Time to Examine Moore Accusers’ Recollection of 40 Years


John R. Houk

© November 25, 2017

 

It is my humble opinion that Democrats lie for the sake of pushing a Left-Wing agenda. if accomplishing a Left-Wing agenda means smearing the political opposition with lies and half-truths (remember – if it is half a truth it is half a lie), the Dems will pour on the disinformation until it is believed as a total fact.

 

I begin this way due to the sexual harassment accusations 40 years ago aimed at Roy Moore from girls then ranging from 14 to 18 or so. Until the alleged accusations Roy Moore has had an impeccable career with the only criticism by Leftist Dems and Establishment Republicans was a refusal to submit to SCOTUS over whether or not the Ten Commandments should remain at the Alabama Supreme Court property. This ludicrous SCOTUS ruling on the Ten Commandments when the Federal SCOTUS building is littered with art of religious works relating to law influences:

 

VIDEO: American Heritage-Religious Images in our US Capitol and Supreme Court [Particularly at about the 3:20 mark]


 

Posted by  nvsvictor

Published on Jul 15, 2008

 

Much more American Heritage videos can be found here:

 

http://www.ahs.honradeus.com/

 

D7-P1-2:20

 

National Statuary Hall In the current house chambers, it says “In God We Trust” Time: 0:57

 

There are images of prominent lawgivers in history. Moses is displayed in the middle of them with a full-face view. He was the only lawgiver from the Bible. Time: 1:06

 

“Separation of Church and State has separated us from our heritage because we can’t teach about religious happenings in our history. The meaning of this phrase has been re-interpreted to mean something else. Time: 1:57

 

The US capitol is filled with religious scenes. Time: 2:25

 

In the Supreme Court, statue of Moses is told on tours to be holding the “Bill of Rights” instead of the Ten Commandments. Attempts to remove any religious presence in the Court. Time: 3:32

 

Many appearances of Biblical excerpts throughout the READ THE REST

 

When a guy takes a moral stand when the rule of law is blatantly manipulated contrary to the Constitution’s Original Intent and the Will of the Creator, that guy is a moral hero.

 

How does the Left smear a man’s character like that? They look as far back into a guy’s past as possible to manipulate the creation of an egregious story line without physical proof but based on I suspect gratuitously planted memories.

 

When the lack of evidence and a lack of credibility begins to enter in, a more salacious effort is made.

 

In the case of Roy Moore, so far, the Left has drudged up nine accusers from about 40 years ago:

 

  • Leigh Corfman: Claims Moore provided her with alcohol and sexually assaulted her when she was 14 years old.

 

  • Wendy MillerClaims Moore asked her out on a date when she was 16 years old and he was 32. Her mother said no.

 

  • Debbie Wesson Gibson: Claims she dated Moore for roughly three months in 1981 when she was 17 years old. … She said he kissed her twice during the time they dated. He was 34 at the time.

 

  • Gloria Thacker DeasonClaims she dated Moore on-and-off again when she was 18 and he was 32 after an initial meeting at the Gadsden Mall in 1979. Deason said their physical relationship never went further than kissing and hugging.

 

  • Beverly Young NelsonClaims Moore sexually assaulted her in 1977 when she was 16 years old. (This is dubious Yearbook signature gal with all sorts of contradictions in her story.)

 

  • Tina JohnsonClaims Moore groped her in his office in 1991 when she was 28 years old.

 

  • Kelly Harrison ThorpClaims Moore asked her out in 1982 when she was a 17-year-old waitress at Red Lobster.

 

  • Gena Richardson: Claims Moore pursued her relentlessly in 1977 when she was an 18-year-old high school senior. Richardson said she met Moore at the Gadsden Mall, … Richardson said he then called her when she was in trigonometry class and asked her out on a date. … After their first date, she said, Moore gave her an unsolicited, “forceful” kiss, which prompted her to break off further contact with him.

 

  • Becky Gray: Claims Moore repeatedly asked her out on dates when she was 22 years old he was 30. “She told the Post that his advances crossed the line from weird flirting to harassment.” “I’d always say no, I’m dating someone, no, I’m in a relationship,” … Gray told the paper Moore was “persistent in a way that made her uncomfortable.” (List of nine excerpted from: A rundown of all the women who’ve accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct; By Becket Adams; Washington Examiner; 11/16/17 4:10 PM)

 

Leigh Corfman- Then & Now

Criticizing Leigh Corfman’s account based on a timeline of her accusations. I begin with Corfman going on ABC’s Today Show making the effort to contradict Roy Moore’s denials:

 

VIDEO: Leigh Corfman on her encounter with Roy Moore at age 14 [1:05 of interview. 9-minute version HERE]

 

Posted by Guardian News

Published on Nov 20, 2017

 

The woman who first spoke out to accuse Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexually assaulting her when she was 14 said on Monday it took her a long time to get her self-esteem back after she blamed herself for what she says happened. Leigh Corfman was 14 in 1979 when she alleges Moore, then 32, took her to his house, removed most of her clothes, groped her and put her hand on his genitals. He took her back to her home when she told him she was uncomfortable and wanted to leave, but she was emotionally scarred for decades after, she said. Moore denies the allegations.

 

Roy Moore sexual assault accuser tells of struggle to regain self-esteem.

 

Corfman’s timeline credibility problem:

 

 

Regarding the original court hearing where Corfman says that Moore asker her for her number while Wells went inside the courtroom, the Post reported that it “confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records.”

 

A thorough search of court documents finds one court case in February 1979—a case that took place on February 21, 1979.  The Post failed to tell readers that at that February 21, 1979, court case Wells voluntarily gave up custody of Corfman to Corfman’s father, Robert R. Corfman.  The two had been divorced since 1974.  The custody case was amicable and involved a joint petition by both parents.

 

The Post further did not tell readers that as a result of the joint petition to change custody, the court ordered the 14-year-old Corfman to move to her father’s house starting on March 4, 1979.  Court documents show the father’s address in Ohatchee, and not in Gadsden, where her mother lived and where Corfman says the meetings with Moore took place.

 

This would mean that from the court hearing on February 21, 1979, until Corfman was ordered to move to her father’s house, Moore would only have had 12 days, including the day of the court hearing, to have repeatedly called Corfman at her mother’s Gadsden house, arrange two meetings, and attempt another. Moore has strenuously denied the accusations.

 

While that timeline is theoretically possible, the Moore campaign stressed in a press conference today it is unlikely.

 

…  the February 21, 1979, case was the only court movement to have taken place that month. Breitbart News also could not find another court document from that month in 1979.

 

The disclosure raises questions about why that twelve-day window was not mentioned in the Post story or by Wells or Corfman in subsequent interviews.  Neither Corfman nor Wells publicly mentioned the change in custody during the critical period where Moore was said to have arranged meetings with Corfman outside her mother’s home.

 

 

Breitbart News reviewed the custody and divorce documents in full. The custody arrangement allowed for “reasonable rights of visitation” for Wells, including on alternate weekends and full custody for one week starting on December 24.  However, that one week of custody in December does not fit into the timeline of Moore allegedly arranging meetings days after the February hearing.

 

There is another detail in the custody documents that raise questions about Corfman’s story.

 

The Post strongly implied that the alleged encounter with Moore caused Corfman to exhibit reckless behavior in her teenage years.

 

 

The Post failed to mention that the very reason for the February 21, 1979, court hearing where Moore allegedly met Corfman was because, according to the court documents, Corfman had exhibited “certain disciplinary and behavioral problems.” In other words, Corfman evidence behavioral problems prior to the alleged encounters with Moore.

 

Indeed, those stated “disciplinary and behavioral problems” were cited in the joint petition to change custody as the cause for both Wells and Corfman’s father agreeing that Corfman would be better served living with her father.  The parents signed a “consent decree” going along with the change in custody.

 

Over one year later, on May 5, 1980, which would have been after any alleged encounters with Moore, Wells filed a new petition to take back custody of her daughter. That petition stated that Corfman’s “disciplinary problem has improved greatly.”  The stated change in behavior is important since Corfman’s “disciplinary and behavioral problems” were cited as the reason for the father taking custody.

 

The improvement in behavior described by Wells seems to conflict with Corfman’s claim to the Post that after the 1979 encounter her “life became increasingly reckless with drinking, drugs, boyfriends, and a suicide attempt when she was 16.”

 

The judge apparently agreed with Wells’ assessment of Corfman’s improved behavior and granted Wells custody on October 15, 1980.

 

… (Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore; By AARON KLEIN; BreitbartBig Government; 11/21/17)

 

See Also:

 

Nolte: Shaky Allegations Against Roy Moore Are Not Enough to Disqualify Him; By JOHN NOLTE; BreitbartBig Government; 11/24/17)

 

Chip Brownlee reporting for Alabama Political Reporter acquiesces to Aaron Klein’s discoveries writing for Breitbart but believes an “11 days” period was ample time for Moore to call on Corfman. You get to decide who is guessing better.

 

Moore campaign fires back at Leigh Corfman; By Chip Brownlee; Alabama Political Reporter; 11/22/17)

 

John Nolte notes a very important fact about sixteen-year-old gals in Alabama lost on the MSM and Leftist Dems:

 

Nevertheless, the age of consent in Alabama is and was 16. That is a decision the people of Alabama have made, which means that even if Moore did seek to date girls as young as 16, there was nothing illegal about it.

 

More importantly, though, is the fact that 40 years ago in the South, the idea of a 30 year-old man looking for a much younger wife was not at all uncommon. In other words, this behavior was not only legal, it was not a violation of social mores. (Bold Text is this Blog Editor’s)

 

Ergo any of the allegations made against Moore by alleged 16-year old victims that did not include forced sex or unwanted fondling was a normally accepted social construct 40 years ago.

Wendy Miller- Then & Now

Wendy Miller Accusation: “Claims Moore asked her out on a date when she was 16 years old and he was 32. Her mother said no.” According to Alabama law – SO WHAT!

Debbie Wesson Gibson

Debbie Wesson Gibson Accusation: “Claims she dated Moore for roughly three months in 1981 when she was 17 years old. … She said he kissed her twice during the time they dated. He was 34 at the time.” According to Alabama law – SO WHAT!

Debbie Wesson Gibson

Debbie Wesson GibsonAccusation: “Claims she dated Moore on-and-off again when she was 18 and he was 32 after an initial meeting at the Gadsden Mall in 1979. Deason said their physical relationship never went further than kissing and hugging.” According to Alabama law – SO WHAT!

Beverly Young Nelson- Then & Now

Beverly Young Nelson Accusation: “Claims Moore sexually assaulted her in 1977 when she was 16 years old. (This is dubious Yearbook signature gal with all sorts of contradictions in her story.)

 

Refuting Nelson:

 

A man claiming to be the stepson of the woman who accused Roy Moore of sexually assaulting her when she was 16 years-old does not believe any of her allegations are true.

 

“I don’t believe it,” Darrel Nelson said in a video he posted to Facebook, questioning the accusations leveled against the Alabama GOP Senate candidate by his stepmother, Beverly Young Nelson.

 

 

“My stepmother is wrong for what she done,” he said, accusing her of “reading form a script” at the press conference on Monday and that her attorney, Gloria Allred told her what to say.

 

“I’ve known the woman, she married my father many, many years ago. I’ve known her for a while now, and I truly do not believe that she’s being honest about this,” he said.

 

 

He believed that the backlash from his family was worth the trouble if he was able to clear up any false allegations, stating that Moore “has been an outstanding pillar of the community” and is “God-fearing.”

 

“I don’t believe a word she says, but I do believe he is innocent,” Nelson said.

 

Click here to read more. (WATCH: Darrel Nelson, Stepson of Roy Moore Accuser, Does Not Believe Allegations Are True; By BCNN1; Black Christian News Network 1; 11/15/17)

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VIDEO: Breaking Darrel Nelson Official Statement on Beverly Nelson’s Claims against Judge Roy More [*** Warning: Stepson uses a bit of profanity in talking about stepmother Beverly]

 

Posted by Cool Hand Luke

Published on Nov 14, 2017

 

Listen to this NOW! Video from Beverly Nelson step-son! He says #RoyMoore is telling truth but she is lying!

 

Direct Link to Facebook Video: https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-29/10000000_540892529595551_7885617095700905984_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InNkIn0%3D&oh=149838a0818e6f0ba67e08e8c9415940&oe=5A0BA24D [Link Expired]

 

Archived Link to His Page: https://archive.is/9tudF

 

See Also Charisma News on the issue: https://tinyurl.com/y7785xdv

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More possible holes in the most serious sexual misconduct allegations against Judge Roy Moore, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Alabama, began to emerge this week.

 

VIDEO: Janet Porter MSNBC Roy Moore

 

Posted by Indiana Liberty

Published on Nov 20, 2017

 

… Allred, who also represented women alleging still unproven sexual misconduct allegations against President Donald Trump, is refusing to hand over the pivotal yearbook Nelson claims Moore signed. Nelson’s own stepson and a high school boyfriend have already cast doubt on her accusation.

 

Potential problems emerged in Nelson’s account Monday when Moore’s campaign released a list of seven of what they describe as inconsistencies that “completely bust” the accusation. The release quotes Rhonda Ledbetter, who claims to have worked at Olde Hickory House, where the assault allegedly occurred, for nearly three years surrounding the dates in question.

 

 

When I heard Beverly Nelson’s story, there were several details that were different from what I remember. I was nervous at coming forward because of all the attention this story has gotten, but as a moral and ethical person I had to speak up about what I know to be true. I was a waitress at Olde Hickory for almost three years from 1977-1979, and I never saw Roy Moore come in to the restaurant. Not one time. And I would have noticed because most of our customers weren’t wearing suits, especially not at night.

 

 

I came forward because from what I’ve seen, the media is only interested in reporting one side of this story. In fact, Dixon Hayes from WRBC in Birmingham asked for former employees to contact him but never responded when I told him I never saw Roy Moore come into Olde Hickory House during the three years I worked for.

 

Ledbetter went on to recount what she sees as questionable elements of Nelson’s story, including that she was able to start work at the restaurant at age 15 when Ledbetter recalls a 16-year-old minimum, that Nelson claimed the restaurant closed at 10 p.m., when Ledbetter never recalled it doing so, and the position of the dumpsters as she remembered them making the geometry of the assault impossible as Nelson described it:

 

 

Another Olde Hickory House waitress, Renee Schivera, similarly questions Nelson’s account, saying:

 

was a waitress at the Olde Hickory House during the summer of 1977, before my senior year of high school. When I heard Beverly Nelson’s story the first thing that stuck out to me was that I don’t remember Roy Moore ever coming into the restaurant. I also don’t remember her working there

 

Finally, Moore’s release quotes Johnny Belyeu Sr., described as “a former police officer with over two decades of experience with the Etowah County Sheriff’s Department and the Gadsden Police Department,” who told the Moore campaign in a statement, “I was a regular customer at Olde Hickory House, and I never once saw Judge Moore come in there. If he had I would have immediately recognized him.” He added, “I also never met Beverly Nelson during any of the many times I frequented the restaurant, and I can’t say that she even worked there.”

 

(Roy Moore Campaign Claims to ‘Completely Bust’ Accusations as Details Emerge; By IAN MASON; Breitbart; 11/21/7)

 

Tina Johnson- Then & Now

Tina Johnson Accusations: “Claims Moore groped her in his office in 1991 when she was 28 years old.”

 

70news quotes AL.com that Johnson said this about Moore butt-grab:

 

After her mother walked through the door first, she said, Moore came up behind her. It was at that point, she recalled, he grabbed her buttocks.

 

“He didn’t pinch it; he grabbed it,” said Johnson. She was so surprised she didn’t say anything. She didn’t tell her mother.

 

She said she told her sister years later how Moore had made her feel uncomfortable during that meeting. Her sister told AL.com she remembers the conversation. (Bold text is Editor’s)

 

Take note that Johnson told AL.com that “She didn’t tell her mother.” Listen to what Johnson tells CNN’s Ellen Burkett at about the 2:12 mark about her mother:

 

VIDEO: Tina Johnson share details of an alleged incident with Roy Moore

 

Posted by USA News

Published on Nov 19, 2017

 

Tina Johnson share details of an alleged incident with Roy Moore

 

Notice that Tina Johnson told Burkett her mother was flattered Moore “flirted” with her daughter and went home and told everybody. This indicates Mom didn’t a flirtation as unwanted sexual harassment. This is the case even though the entire Burkett interview is a display of unwanted sexual groping. SOMETHING IS OFF with Tina Johnson.

 

 

A criminal record adds to the lack of veracity of Johnson’s accusation:

 

But most of the doubt on the claim against Johnson comes from her past.

 

Before the alleged situation with Moore, Johnson had been arrested for writing bad checks, and for third degree theft.

 

The reports show that she had stolen from her own family.

 

… (The Secret A Roy Moore Accuser Is Praying Never Gets Revealed; American Patriot Daily; [perhaps] 11/25/17)

Kelly Harrison Thorp

Kelly Harrison Thorp Accusation: “Claims Moore asked her out in 1982 when she was a 17-year-old waitress at Red Lobster.” According to Alabama law – SO WHAT!

Gena Richardson- Then & Now

Gena Richardson Accusation: “Claims Moore pursued her relentlessly in 1977 when she was an 18-year-old high school senior. Richardson said she met Moore at the Gadsden Mall, … After their first date, she said, Moore gave her an unsolicited, “forceful” kiss, which prompted her to break off further contact with him.” The date part as noted earlier by John Nolte, the age of consent in Alabama 40 years ago and now is age 16. AND the social mores 40 years ago were a common instance of older men seeking matrimony of younger even teen age girls. So the question about “unsolicited” is: Does that mean Richardson was expecting simple smooch on the lips that turned to tongue? OR did Moore whip his hands around Richardson’s head unexpectedly and force his tongue down her throat? The first instance is an oops of communication, the latter instance is actual force and sexual misconduct. That boils down to he said/she said and each person’s perception.

Becky Gray- Then & Now

Becky Gray Accusations: ‘Claims Moore repeatedly asked her out on dates when she was 22 years old he was 30. “She told the Post that his advances crossed the line from weird flirting to harassment.” “I’d always say no, I’m dating someone, no, I’m in a relationship,”’

 

The rumor Roy Moore was banned from the mall in Gadsden, Alabama comes from Becky Gray because she was employed at the Pizitz department store in the Gadsen [sic] Mall in 1977. Gray’s account:

 

An Alabama woman who has accused Republican U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexually harassing her in the late 1970s said he was banned from the mall where she worked after she complained about his repeated, unwanted advances toward her.

 

“I went to my manager and talked to him about it and asked him, basically, what could be done,” Becky Gray told ABC News late Wednesday night. “Later on, he…came back through my department and told me that [Moore] had been banned from the mall.” (Roy Moore accuser: I got him banned from the mall; By CHRIS FRANCESCANI; ABC News; 11/16/17 12:16 PM ET)

 

The verifiable truth from AL.com:

 

The three statements from former mall employees quoted in the Moore press release:

 

  • “In my 26 years working at Gadsden Mall, I never heard anything about Roy Moore being banned from the mall or any other mention of issues concerning him. As the Operations Manager overseeing Mall Security, I would have been aware of something like that.” – Johnny Adams, employed by the Gadsden Mall for 26 years and was the Operations Manager for 14 years, overseeing mall security.

 

  • “As an employee of the Gadsden Mall for Morrison’s Cafeteria Corporation from the late 1970’s through the mid-2000’s, I would like to put forth a statement in regards to the allegations against Judge Roy Moore. During my time at the Gadsden Mall, I formed many lifelong relationships including one with Barnes Boyle and his wife, Brenda. Barnes Boyle was manager of the Gadsden Mall and Brenda was my manager at Morrison’s Cafeteria for many years. Because of this relationship, I was abreast on the latest situations that happened throughout the Gadsden Mall during that time period. There was a prominent man of Etowah County, whom is now deceased that was banned for reasons such as the allegations against Judge Moore. However, due to respect for the family, I decline to reveal his name. Despite allegations against other patrons of the mall, I never heard of Roy Moore’s name come in conversation with any such misconduct against women or a supposed banning from the Gadsden Mall.” – Johnnie V. Sanders, employee of Gadsden Mall from late 70’s to mid-2000’s.

 

  • “We did have written reports and things. To my knowledge, he {Moore} was not banned from the mall.” – Barnes Boyle, Former Manager of the Gadsden Mall (1981-1986).

 

Said Doster in the statement, “The people of Alabama are tired of false accusations and one-sided reporting from the liberal media. “Truth matters or it doesn’t and the Moore campaign will deliver the truth about the character of Judge Roy Moore to affirm what the people of Alabama are already convinced of.” (Roy Moore campaign disputes reports he was banned from mall; By Paul Gattis; AL.com; 11/20/17)

 

Did Moore sexually harass Becky Gray? Since Moore was never banned from the Gadsden Mall, I have some suspicions her claims are at best exaggerated or at worst a downright Dem coached lie.

 

The most egregious thing Roy Moore in his thirties had male hormones for teenagers of the legal age of consent in Alabama. Leigh Corfman is the ONLY accuser that was underage according to Alabama law and her story is tainted in her timeline and for being troubled teen too hard to handle by her mom. Hard enough to transfer custody to Corfman’s father – the mother’s ex-husband – for a more disciplined hand which apparently worked out long after Corfman’s accusations against Roy Moore.

 

If anyone can actually find verifiable evidence sexual harassment or assault from forty years ago, I say fry Roy Moore so he can never serve in any form of Public Office again. Nothing verifiable? Then dear God, it’s the American Left (MSM and Dems) trying to keep a Conservative out of the Senate. The latter is what I currently believe. If you are a Conservative residing in Alabama, ignore the unverifiable and elect Roy Moore as your next Senator.

 

JRH 11/25/17

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Author: oneway2day

I am a Neoconservative Christian Right blogger. I also spend a significant amount of time of exposing theopolitical Islam.

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